Iran claims they hacked into drone, diverted it to Iran

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So they aren't claiming "fortunate accident" in in straying to Iran,
or "US warmongering" meaning it intentionally flew over, but that they
outright hijacked it.
Hmm. Communications security anyone?

Took long enough for the real story to get out.

Arved Sandstrom

2011-12-15 22:04:27 UTC

Post by Gordon

Took long enough for the real story to get out.

You mean where the US has admitted that it was flying over Iran to look
for Iranian nuclear facilities?

AHS

Sean Brightly

2011-12-15 22:27:33 UTC

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So they aren't claiming "fortunate accident" in in straying to Iran,
or "US warmongering" meaning it intentionally flew over, but that they
outright hijacked it.
Hmm. Communications security anyone?

Heh. China and Russia couldn't hack its GPS but Iran -- a country that
imports gasoline -- all of a sudden has the requisite technical expertise.
Hilarious.

Arved Sandstrom

2011-12-15 23:14:48 UTC

Heh. China and Russia couldn't hack its GPS but Iran -- a country that
imports gasoline -- all of a sudden has the requisite technical expertise.
Hilarious.

It may sound odd that Iran imports gasoline...at first hearing. But no
odder than the fact that the US _exports_ gasoline, diesel and jet fuel,
and may be a *net exporter* of refined hydrocarbon products in 2011, for
the first time in about 6 decades.

That's how the market operates.

AHS

willshak

2011-12-15 23:24:35 UTC

Heh. China and Russia couldn't hack its GPS but Iran -- a country that
imports gasoline -- all of a sudden has the requisite technical expertise.
Hilarious.

The US imports 282,190 thousand bbls of refined petroleum products a day
from Canada.
The US exports 437,315 thousand bbls of refined petroleum products a day
to Canada.
(2009 figures).

--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

Sean Brightly

2011-12-15 23:31:41 UTC

Heh. China and Russia couldn't hack its GPS but Iran -- a country that
imports gasoline -- all of a sudden has the requisite technical expertise.
Hilarious.

It may sound odd that Iran imports gasoline...at first hearing.

Why would it sound odd? Iran is a backwards third-world nation that can't
even adequately refine its own oil supplies.

Gordon

2011-12-16 02:00:55 UTC

Heh. China and Russia couldn't hack its GPS but Iran -- a country that
imports gasoline -- all of a sudden has the requisite technical expertise.
Hilarious.

It may sound odd that Iran imports gasoline...at first hearing.

Why would it sound odd? Iran is a backwards third-world nation that can't
even adequately refine its own oil supplies.

Andrew Swallow

2011-12-16 02:19:38 UTC

Post by Gordon

Heh. China and Russia couldn't hack its GPS but Iran -- a country that
imports gasoline -- all of a sudden has the requisite technical expertise.
Hilarious.

It may sound odd that Iran imports gasoline...at first hearing.

Why would it sound odd? Iran is a backwards third-world nation that can't
even adequately refine its own oil supplies.

Jamming a GPS is not hard. Just buy the transmitters in a country that
is not embargoed.

Encrypting the radio and wire links associated with the drone may help.
Not just the main link but all the other ones. See if the control
room computers can be put on a private internet not connected to the
public internet.

Also only allow approved music CD players and cell phones to be used.
Sell them through the military bases's shops.

Andrew Swallow

Sean Brightly

2011-12-16 02:29:20 UTC

Heh. China and Russia couldn't hack its GPS but Iran -- a country that
imports gasoline -- all of a sudden has the requisite technical expertise.
Hilarious.

It may sound odd that Iran imports gasoline...at first hearing.

Why would it sound odd? Iran is a backwards third-world nation that can't
even adequately refine its own oil supplies.

But are well known as having more than its share of hackers. The bird
was hacked. If you knew about MIJI, you would know this is not only
old news, buts its not even a new concept. "Hackers gonna hack." as
my son says. If you think the Iranis don't have sufficient access to
the internet to raise a generation of first-rate hackers, you are
unrealistic. That's when Sun Tsu says probrems awise.

********

Right. World-class scientists in China and Russia couldn't break the
encryption, but some guy in Iran could. Ridiculous.

Rob Arndt

2011-12-16 03:37:06 UTC

Heh. China and Russia couldn't hack its GPS but Iran -- a country that
imports gasoline -- all of a sudden has the requisite technical expertise.
Hilarious.

It may sound odd that Iran imports gasoline...at first hearing.

Why would it sound odd? Iran is a backwards third-world nation that can't
even adequately refine its own oil supplies.

But are well known as having more than its share of hackers. The bird
was hacked. If you knew about MIJI, you would know this is not only
old news, buts its not even a new concept. "Hackers gonna hack." as
my son says. If you think the Iranis don't have sufficient access to
the internet to raise a generation of first-rate hackers, you are
unrealistic. That's when Sun Tsu says probrems awise.
********
Right. World-class scientists in China and Russia couldn't break the
encryption, but some guy in Iran could. Ridiculous.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

IMHO, I believe it was hacked b/c IF there was a malfunctioned and it
crashed... then where is all the damage to the underbelly and both
wings??? Only a crack in the starboard wing as far I as I can see.
They Iranians made it land but not perfect. Also, that Third World
nation has shot-down US and NATO UAVs already. Add Chinese and Russian
"technical assistants" in their nation... who knows WHO actually
hacked it?

Fact is that the US at first lied and said it was a manned a/c gone
astray (but no pilot rescue effort) and then slowly changed their
tune, especially after a photo of it on display was presented. Then
the US conspiracy theorists claimed it was either a hoax Sentinel
built by Iran OR a fake UAV sent by the US to Iran to deceive them on
the tech inside!!!

Remember when the Serbs downed a F-117? All the spins by the USAF on
route tracking, lucky hit, etc... while it was KNOWN that the Serbs
had obtained anti-stealth radar?

The USAF lies about everything. So does the US military. That soldier
that just got the MoH- his story is so exaggerated that it is largely
fictional!!!

Rob

David E. Powell

2011-12-16 04:05:42 UTC

Heh. China and Russia couldn't hack its GPS but Iran -- a country that
imports gasoline -- all of a sudden has the requisite technical expertise.
Hilarious.

It may sound odd that Iran imports gasoline...at first hearing.

Why would it sound odd? Iran is a backwards third-world nation that can't
even adequately refine its own oil supplies.

But are well known as having more than its share of hackers. The bird
was hacked. If you knew about MIJI, you would know this is not only
old news, buts its not even a new concept. "Hackers gonna hack." as
my son says. If you think the Iranis don't have sufficient access to
the internet to raise a generation of first-rate hackers, you are
unrealistic. That's when Sun Tsu says probrems awise.
********
Right. World-class scientists in China and Russia couldn't break the
encryption, but some guy in Iran could. Ridiculous.

Maybe they didn't so much break it as flood the frequencies with noise
that drowned out any real commands. The drone would continue the
course without new orders, until it ran out of fuel. Any attempt to
send a destruct command, were there a "range safety" type device
aboard, could be similarly jammed. You don't need the code, you just
need to drown out the coded signal.

Gordon

2011-12-16 05:46:16 UTC

Post by David E. Powell

Heh. China and Russia couldn't hack its GPS but Iran -- a country that
imports gasoline -- all of a sudden has the requisite technical expertise.
Hilarious.

It may sound odd that Iran imports gasoline...at first hearing.

Why would it sound odd? Iran is a backwards third-world nation that can't
even adequately refine its own oil supplies.

But are well known as having more than its share of hackers. The bird
was hacked. If you knew about MIJI, you would know this is not only
old news, buts its not even a new concept. "Hackers gonna hack." as
my son says. If you think the Iranis don't have sufficient access to
the internet to raise a generation of first-rate hackers, you are
unrealistic. That's when Sun Tsu says probrems awise.
********
Right. World-class scientists in China and Russia couldn't break the
encryption, but some guy in Iran could. Ridiculous.

I think we read the same things, David. I think that is within a few
percentage points of what happened. MIJI takes many forms - they
could have done any of the four things to cause the drone to come down
in their laps. They could have meaconed it, interferred with it,
jammed it the way you (and I) think they did, or intruded on its
command net (probably the least likely but cannot be discounted).

Jim Wilkins

2011-12-16 11:40:06 UTC

"Gordon" <***@oldboldpilots.org> wrote...
-I think we read the same things, David. I think that is within a few
-percentage points of what happened. MIJI takes many forms - they
-could have done any of the four things to cause the drone to come down
-in their laps. They could have meaconed it, interferred with it,
-jammed it the way you (and I) think they did, or intruded on its
-command net (probably the least likely but cannot be discounted).

Or they could have been lucky, if it malfunctioned and came down in a
fail-safe mode.

jsw

Gordon

2011-12-16 05:41:14 UTC

Heh. China and Russia couldn't hack its GPS but Iran -- a country that
imports gasoline -- all of a sudden has the requisite technical expertise.
Hilarious.

It may sound odd that Iran imports gasoline...at first hearing.

Why would it sound odd? Iran is a backwards third-world nation that can't
even adequately refine its own oil supplies.

But are well known as having more than its share of hackers. The bird
was hacked. If you knew about MIJI, you would know this is not only
old news, buts its not even a new concept. "Hackers gonna hack." as
my son says. If you think the Iranis don't have sufficient access to
the internet to raise a generation of first-rate hackers, you are
unrealistic. That's when Sun Tsu says probrems awise.
********
Right. World-class scientists in China and Russia couldn't break the
encryption, but some guy in Iran could. Ridiculous.

and you know that they couldn't, how? Military secrets are the most
fleeting. Period.

Halmyre

2011-12-16 08:51:35 UTC

Heh. China and Russia couldn't hack its GPS but Iran -- a country that
imports gasoline -- all of a sudden has the requisite technical expertise.
Hilarious.

It may sound odd that Iran imports gasoline...at first hearing.

Why would it sound odd? Iran is a backwards third-world nation that can't
even adequately refine its own oil supplies.

But are well known as having more than its share of hackers. The bird
was hacked. If you knew about MIJI, you would know this is not only
old news, buts its not even a new concept. "Hackers gonna hack." as
my son says. If you think the Iranis don't have sufficient access to
the internet to raise a generation of first-rate hackers, you are
unrealistic. That's when Sun Tsu says probrems awise.
********
Right. World-class scientists in China and Russia couldn't break the
encryption, but some guy in Iran could. Ridiculous.

How do you know the Chinese and the Russians haven't broken the
encryption? What do you exepct them to do, hold a press conference?

--
Halmyre

€~Îñ©üßu§~®

2011-12-16 10:15:51 UTC

On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 00:51:35 -0800 (PST), Halmyre

Post by Halmyre

Heh. China and Russia couldn't hack its GPS but Iran -- a country that
imports gasoline -- all of a sudden has the requisite technical expertise.
Hilarious.

It may sound odd that Iran imports gasoline...at first hearing.

Why would it sound odd? Iran is a backwards third-world nation that can't
even adequately refine its own oil supplies.

But are well known as having more than its share of hackers. The bird
was hacked. If you knew about MIJI, you would know this is not only
old news, buts its not even a new concept. "Hackers gonna hack." as
my son says. If you think the Iranis don't have sufficient access to
the internet to raise a generation of first-rate hackers, you are
unrealistic. That's when Sun Tsu says probrems awise.
********
Right. World-class scientists in China and Russia couldn't break the
encryption, but some guy in Iran could. Ridiculous.

How do you know the Chinese and the Russians haven't broken the
encryption? What do you exepct them to do, hold a press conference?

'Sean Brightly' is a well known troll Chad Bryant from
rec.sport.pro-wrestling

He's a wanna-be backyard wrestler and deadbeat father of 3 kids he
refuses to support. He's been in jail, visited by the Secret Service
for his Usenet trolling and known for whipping out the socks to
support any claims he makes. It's best to just ignore him and go about
your regular postings

Bay Man

2011-12-16 10:36:59 UTC

Heh. China and Russia couldn't hack its GPS but Iran -- a country that
imports gasoline -- all of a sudden has the requisite technical expertise.
Hilarious.

They can develop nuclear weapons. In the Iraq war the allies were surprised
that the Iraqis jammed some equipment, thinking it was beyond them.

Rob Arndt

2011-12-16 16:57:02 UTC

On Dec 16, 2:36 am, "Bay Man"

Heh. China and Russia couldn't hack its GPS but Iran -- a country that
imports gasoline -- all of a sudden has the requisite technical expertise.
Hilarious.

They can develop nuclear weapons. In the Iraq war the allies were surprised
that the Iraqis jammed some equipment, thinking it was beyond them.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

The Iraqis also targeted the F-117 several times with SA-2 missiles
using various radars. My source is Capt. Matt Byrd from the book
"Stealth Fighter Pilot" of the Power Series. He was targeted TWICE and
narrowly missed two SAMs sent up against him. Other F-117s showed up
as "Ghost blips" for a few seconds using narrow band radars. It was
never "invisible" and reflects anyway once it opens its bomb bay. Same
for the B-2 and F-22.

In addition to IRST, the Russians are working on EO sensors for their
fighters now. And no one knows what the Russian or Chinese have
discovered as they don't generally disclose such things...

Rob

Gordon

2011-12-16 17:11:18 UTC

Post by Rob Arndt
On Dec 16, 2:36 am, "Bay Man"

Heh. China and Russia couldn't hack its GPS but Iran -- a country that
imports gasoline -- all of a sudden has the requisite technical expertise.
Hilarious.

They can develop nuclear weapons. In the Iraq war the allies were surprised
that the Iraqis jammed some equipment, thinking it was beyond them.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

The Iraqis also targeted the F-117 several times with SA-2 missiles
using various radars. My source is Capt. Matt Byrd from the book
"Stealth Fighter Pilot" of the Power Series. He was targeted TWICE and
narrowly missed two SAMs sent up against him. Other F-117s showed up
as "Ghost blips" for a few seconds using narrow band radars. It was
never "invisible" and reflects anyway once it opens its bomb bay. Same
for the B-2 and F-22.
In addition to IRST, the Russians are working on EO sensors for their
fighters now. And no one knows what the Russian or Chinese have
discovered as they don't generally disclose such things...
Rob

The Somalis at Berbera had SA-2s and would light us up with their Fan
Song targeting radars as we transited the Gulf - never comfortable.
The site took a shot at a Constellation F-14 back then, but it was
able to evade. Amazing that the Telephone Pole is still in service.

150flivver

2011-12-17 06:03:21 UTC

Post by Rob Arndt
On Dec 16, 2:36 am, "Bay Man"

Heh. China and Russia couldn't hack its GPS but Iran -- a country that
imports gasoline -- all of a sudden has the requisite technical expertise.
Hilarious.

They can develop nuclear weapons. In the Iraq war the allies were surprised
that the Iraqis jammed some equipment, thinking it was beyond them.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

The Iraqis also targeted the F-117 several times with SA-2 missiles
using various radars. My source is Capt. Matt Byrd from the book
"Stealth Fighter Pilot" of the Power Series. He was targeted TWICE and
narrowly missed two SAMs sent up against him. Other F-117s showed up
as "Ghost blips" for a few seconds using narrow band radars. It was
never "invisible" and reflects anyway once it opens its bomb bay. Same
for the B-2 and F-22.
In addition to IRST, the Russians are working on EO sensors for their
fighters now. And no one knows what the Russian or Chinese have
discovered as they don't generally disclose such things...
Rob

The F-117 was stealthy against higher frequency, shorter wavelength
radars, which are generally more modern and mostly used for terminal
target tracking by a weapons system. The higher frequency gives you
the accuracy and the data update rate needed to engage a fast,
maneuvering target. Older EW (early warning radars, low frequency/
longer wavelength radars) could and did detect the F-117 (but can't
direct a weapon to engage it). That's probably why they (the EW
radars) are targeted first with cruise missiles or jammers. Stealth
technology works when you combine the physics with ops sec, intel and
mission planning. If you fly the same ground track multiple times or
reattack using the same tactics, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to
eventually get a lucky shot with a golden bb (see Serbia F-117 shoot
down). Stealth buys you time, it doesn't make you invisible and it
doesn't fix stupid..

Dweezil Dwarftosser

2011-12-17 08:47:39 UTC