Discussion:
Did Polonium kill Arafat? His body may be exhumed.
(too old to reply)
David E. Powell
2012-07-04 16:35:18 UTC
Permalink
http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/04/12556777-palestinians-ready-to-exhume-arafat-body-after-scientists-find-polonium-on-his-toothbrush-clothes?lite

<http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/04/12556777-palestinians-
ready-to-exhume-arafat-body-after-scientists-find-polonium-on-his-
toothbrush-clothes?lite>

Being that there is only one group of folks I know of who've been
known to get involved with that stuff, this makes me wonder.

David
Jim Wilkins
2012-07-04 22:13:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by David E. Powell
http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/04/12556777-palestinians-ready-to-exhume-arafat-body-after-scientists-find-polonium-on-his-toothbrush-clothes?lite
<http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/04/12556777-palestinians-
ready-to-exhume-arafat-body-after-scientists-find-polonium-on-his-
toothbrush-clothes?lite>
Being that there is only one group of folks I know of who've been
known to get involved with that stuff, this makes me wonder.
David
Perhaps Tom Clancy was prescient:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sum_of_All_Fears

In the book the impatient Palestinian terrorists kill their East
German expert and bungle the assembly of the trigger due to their
inadequate training.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polonium

A Geiger counter doesn't detect its presence, or accidental spills:
http://edjayepstein.blogspot.com/2007/06/smuggled-polonium.html
"Unlike many of the more common radioactive isotopes, which emit gamma
particles that can be easily detected with a geiger counter, Polonium
210 emits alpha particles which are much more difficult to detect
(unless there is leakage from its container). So it can be smuggled
across borders in a plastic capsule."

p9sCcyr4
Dennis
2012-07-04 23:17:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by David E. Powell
http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/04/12556777-palestinians-r
eady-to-exhume-arafat-body-after-scientists-find-polonium-on-his-toothb
rush-clothes?lite
<http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/04/12556777-palestinians-
ready-to-exhume-arafat-body-after-scientists-find-polonium-on-his-
toothbrush-clothes?lite>
Being that there is only one group of folks I know of who've been
known to get involved with that stuff, this makes me wonder.
David
Now why would the Russians want to eliminate him?

The Israelis, OTOH... Of course, they knew that he was a known quantity;
that's what they always sais when asked, 'Why don't you assassinate
Arafat?'

Dennis
SolomonW
2012-07-07 09:05:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by David E. Powell
http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/04/12556777-palestinians-ready-to-exhume-arafat-body-after-scientists-find-polonium-on-his-toothbrush-clothes?lite
<http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/04/12556777-palestinians-
ready-to-exhume-arafat-body-after-scientists-find-polonium-on-his-
toothbrush-clothes?lite>
Being that there is only one group of folks I know of who've been
known to get involved with that stuff, this makes me wonder.
David
In response to Al Jazeera's report, Dr. Ely Karmon, at Herzliya’s Institute
for Counterterrorism, a specialist in chemical, biological, radiological
and nuclear terrorism, said that "the half-life of the substance would make
it impossible for polonium to have been discovered at such high levels if
it had been used to kill Arafat eight years ago. If it had been used for
poisoning, minimal levels should be seen now. Yet much higher levels were
found. Someone planted the polonium much later,” He went on to question why
Arafat’s widow, Suha, who provided the researchers with Arafat’s belongings
was not also poisoned while she was by his side at the hospital touching
him and his clothings.
David E. Powell
2012-07-07 14:49:39 UTC
Permalink
http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/04/12556777-palestinians...
<http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/04/12556777-palestinians-
ready-to-exhume-arafat-body-after-scientists-find-polonium-on-his-
toothbrush-clothes?lite>
Being that there is only one group of folks I know of who've been
known to get involved with that stuff, this makes me wonder.
David
In response to Al Jazeera's report, Dr. Ely Karmon, at Herzliya s Institute
for Counterterrorism, a specialist in chemical, biological, radiological
and nuclear terrorism, said that "the half-life of the substance would make
it impossible for polonium to have been discovered at such high levels if
it had been used to kill Arafat eight years ago. If it had been used for
poisoning, minimal levels should be seen now. Yet much higher levels were
found. Someone planted the polonium much later, He went on to question why
Arafat s widow, Suha, who provided the researchers with Arafat s belongings
was not also poisoned while she was by his side at the hospital touching
him and his clothings.
I would not be surprised if he died of natural causes but someone was
trying to make it look like he was assasinated, to try and blame
someone for it. Given recent events in Syria, Iran, Egypt etc. it
would be something I could see, accuse him of being murdered so a
finger could be pointed at someone to libel them for it.

I think that theory you reference might be evidence that is what is
going on.

Which makes one wonder, who would have Polonium to plant? Doesn't Iran
get a lot of Nuclear stuff from Russia?
Eunometic
2012-07-08 06:48:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by David E. Powell
http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/04/12556777-palestinians...
<http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/04/12556777-palestinians-
ready-to-exhume-arafat-body-after-scientists-find-polonium-on-his-
toothbrush-clothes?lite>
Being that there is only one group of folks I know of who've been
known to get involved with that stuff, this makes me wonder.
David
In response to Al Jazeera's report, Dr. Ely Karmon, at Herzliya s Institute
for Counterterrorism, a specialist in chemical, biological, radiological
and nuclear terrorism, said that "the half-life of the substance would make
it impossible for polonium to have been discovered at such high levels if
it had been used to kill Arafat eight years ago. If it had been used for
poisoning, minimal levels should be seen now. Yet much higher levels were
found. Someone planted the polonium much later, He went on to question why
Arafat s widow, Suha, who provided the researchers with Arafat s belongings
was not also poisoned while she was by his side at the hospital touching
him and his clothings.
I would not be surprised if he died of natural causes but someone was
trying to make it look like he was assasinated, to try and blame
someone for it. Given recent events in Syria, Iran, Egypt etc. it
would be something I could see, accuse him of being murdered so a
finger could be pointed at someone to libel them for it.
I think that theory you reference might be evidence that is what is
going on.
Which makes one wonder, who would have Polonium to plant? Doesn't Iran
get a lot of Nuclear stuff from Russia?
The half life of polonium is 139 days. This is about 18 half lives
since Yasser Arafat's death eight years ago. The decay factor
would've been about 250,000 not 1 million as is written in many
papers.

This means the levels would've been at the same as those of Litivenko
who was also murdered by the same method at the Time of both men's
deaths.

So the polonium levels at the time of Yasser Arafats death are
plausible.

Ariel Sharon was enough of a prick to of done this if you could've
gotten away with it because he determinate the Palestinian authority
was more of an enemy than a help to the Zionists
SolomonW
2012-07-08 08:41:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Eunometic
The half life of polonium is 139 days. This is about 18 half lives
since Yasser Arafat's death eight years ago. The decay factor
would've been about 250,000 not 1 million as is written in many
papers.
http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=7162390

The effective half-life of Po in the human .... overall average effective
half-life of 31.4 days
Jim Wilkins
2012-07-08 11:08:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by SolomonW
Post by Eunometic
The half life of polonium is 139 days. This is about 18 half lives
since Yasser Arafat's death eight years ago. The decay factor
would've been about 250,000 not 1 million as is written in many
papers.
http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=7162390
The effective half-life of Po in the human .... overall average effective
half-life of 31.4 days
Only while they are alive and can eliminate it.

jsw
SolomonW
2012-07-09 10:01:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jim Wilkins
Post by SolomonW
Post by Eunometic
The half life of polonium is 139 days. This is about 18 half lives
since Yasser Arafat's death eight years ago. The decay factor
would've been about 250,000 not 1 million as is written in many
papers.
http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=7162390
The effective half-life of Po in the human .... overall average effective
half-life of 31.4 days
Only while they are alive and can eliminate it.
jsw
However to his clothes, Yasser Arafat is the source.

peter skelton
2012-07-08 12:57:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by Eunometic
The half life of polonium is 139 days. This is about 18 half lives
since Yasser Arafat's death eight years ago. The decay factor
would've been about 250,000 not 1 million as is written in many
papers.
http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=7162390
The effective half-life of Po in the human .... overall average effective
half-life of 31.4 days

That is a 1949 study that includes the effect of elimination. It is my
belief that the subject has neither defecated nor passed water very often in
the last several years.
Eunometic
2012-07-08 23:58:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by SolomonW
Post by Eunometic
The half life of polonium is 139 days. This is about 18 half lives
since Yasser Arafat's death eight years ago. The decay factor
would've been about 250,000 not 1 million as is written in many
papers.
http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=7162390
The effective half-life of Po in the human .... overall average effective
half-life of 31.4 days
I was referring to the radiological half life (139 days) not the
biological half life, it was some of his possessions that were tested.
Eunometic
2012-07-09 00:06:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by SolomonW
Post by Eunometic
The half life of polonium is 139 days. This is about 18 half lives
since Yasser Arafat's death eight years ago.  The decay factor
would've been about 250,000 not 1 million as is written in many
papers.
http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=7162390
The effective half-life of Po in the human ....  overall average effective
half-life of 31.4 days
I was referring to the radiological half life (139 days) the
biological half life in the human body is less at about 31 days. The
source of the specimen was urine stained underpants.
Bill
2012-07-08 13:01:47 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 7 Jul 2012 23:48:16 -0700 (PDT), Eunometic
Post by Eunometic
Ariel Sharon was enough of a prick to of done this if you could've
gotten away with it because he determinate the Palestinian authority
was more of an enemy than a help to the Zionists
The problem with that theory is that Arafat was more help to Israel
than hindrance because he was utterly predictable and very unpopular
with the rest of the Arab world.

It's like 'Why was Operation FOXLEY cancelled?'
Keith W
2012-07-08 17:12:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bill
On Sat, 7 Jul 2012 23:48:16 -0700 (PDT), Eunometic
Post by Eunometic
Ariel Sharon was enough of a prick to of done this if you could've
gotten away with it because he determinate the Palestinian authority
was more of an enemy than a help to the Zionists
The problem with that theory is that Arafat was more help to Israel
than hindrance because he was utterly predictable and very unpopular
with the rest of the Arab world.
It's like 'Why was Operation FOXLEY cancelled?'
Its far more likely that he was killed by someone inside
the Palestinian Authority who saw him as an obstacle.

Keith
David E. Powell
2012-07-08 20:35:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Keith W
Post by Bill
On Sat, 7 Jul 2012 23:48:16 -0700 (PDT), Eunometic
Post by Eunometic
Ariel Sharon was enough of a prick to of done this if you could've
gotten away with it because he determinate the Palestinian authority
was more of an enemy than a help to the Zionists
The problem with that theory is that Arafat was more help to Israel
than hindrance because he was utterly predictable and very unpopular
with the rest of the Arab world.
It's like 'Why was Operation FOXLEY cancelled?'
Its far more likely that he was killed by someone inside
the Palestinian Authority who saw him as an obstacle.
Keith
Yes, and the list of who could get Polonium included Iran, and Iran
has certain factions they might be able to provide some to.
peter skelton
2012-07-08 21:06:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Keith W
Post by Bill
On Sat, 7 Jul 2012 23:48:16 -0700 (PDT), Eunometic
Post by Eunometic
Ariel Sharon was enough of a prick to of done this if you could've
gotten away with it because he determinate the Palestinian authority
was more of an enemy than a help to the Zionists
The problem with that theory is that Arafat was more help to Israel
than hindrance because he was utterly predictable and very unpopular
with the rest of the Arab world.
It's like 'Why was Operation FOXLEY cancelled?'
Its far more likely that he was killed by someone inside
the Palestinian Authority who saw him as an obstacle.
Keith
Yes, and the list of who could get Polonium included Iran, and Iran
has certain factions they might be able to provide some to.

While not freely available, polonium has commercial use, a relatively large
number of licenses exist. It may be possible to identify the material's
manufacturer by analysis but that will leave a lot of detective work to do.
Loading...